This is a website to help the seekers of truth and wisdom
This is the place you have been SEEKING, it will have much information to help seekers find the truth and gain wisdom, it will have links to information to help you on your road to enlightenment
Truth comes from Enlightenment
If you don't think that GOD has written ALL of the scriptures, just read some of them and you will SEE the Truth
WHO AM I?
This is a question that I ask because I no longer feel real, my body is a nuisance and what I think is now meaningless, there is something hidden, I am unaware of what is going on, I am a spectator in some elaborate game to which I do not know the rules,
the puppet master knows the rules but keeps the secret for it's self, I am being tested, I am being put into situations just to see what will happen, I am a lab rat in the ultimate game of existence ever dreamed of, the actors are all unknowingly playing this game along with me, the rules of the game are learned as the game is played,
the game is played over and over and over again and again until all of the rules are adhered to sufficiently enough where playing the game any further is a waste, the game cannot be saved, but some knowledge in the way of mystical instinct is carried on to the next level of the game,
the ultimate goal of the game is to have no emotion other than love and it's constituents, ultimately knowledge and wisdom is the key to completing this game, once you are aware there is a game being played, it is to your best advantage to let the other players in on the rules that you have learned so you all may help each other complete this game in a civilized manner,
there are roles and attitudes in this game that have the potential to set you back in your advancements, do not get caught in these traps, also there are people operating in this game at a more advanced level than your own, they have the knowledge and wisdom, they know the cheat codes so to speak, to traverse the perils and requirements to be successful.
Who Am I? I have a better clue now, I work to balance my actions with my emotions in order to complete this level successfully, I have played hundreds of levels, all different for the most part, if I fail a level, it must be played again until the balance is met, there are no exceptions to this rule,
but there is more than one way to skin a cat, the ones at the higher levels have given me the cheat codes to excel, to even skip some levels, I must keep studying in order to keep up with the rules, as the rules are Law and must be adhered to in order to complete the game, this game is hard.
Especially in the beginning, I endure, I persist, I can see the Light at the end of the Tunnel, it is so close, I can almost recognize something familiar, another level is completed and another, clarity is approaching, the veil is lifting, the fog is finally dispersing and I can see it's ME at the end of the tunnel,
a reflection of my efforts staring back at all who I have been, I AM the puppet master, I have been orchestrating this game the whole time, WHO AM I?.....I AM!
I Seek and I don't Like what I Find
My seeking has led me to information that I don't like, What should I do?
Not all of your seeking will be pleasant as that is the reality, the unpleasant is needed to balance the pleasant, the results will ultimately be to your liking or at least equal out your understanding of a certain subject.
The seeking of knowledge is an ongoing thing, even when you have an epiphany that creates an elation of satisfaction in an area of study, this is only the start, when you feel that you know nothing compared to what needs to be learned, you have made a great leap in your knowledge.
Sometimes I get stuck on Ideas for what to seek for, this is the time I just read some of the massive amounts I have accumulated and sooner or later I will be led to something new, I knew there was a reason that I downloaded the book!
It's quite common for me to be following a few trails in my seeking, and I often switch between these paths regularly, try to always have much more stuff than you can read in a few weeks on hand, this will allow you to keep your seeking engaged constantly.
Eventually, you will come upon some information that will lead you on a seeking journey, the destination unknown to you as of yet, but the drive will be powerful, don't be afraid to mix it up,
meaning, if it is a spiritual journey, don't be discouraged into searching in places that are seemingly less spiritual, also if it is a scientific journey, don't be against the notion that a religious or spiritual aspect may be apparent,
stick to your strengths and passions at first, until your knowledge has increased to a point to explore even further.
Widening the Path to Knowledge
I have a mission here, a mission to present what I have learned in my life to everyone who is seeking answers to not easily answered questions, my path shall be broad, broad enough to encompass ideas from different angles in order to be understood more completely,
so if it sounds like I am stating the same things over and over, I am aiming to present it in subtly different versions so that the idea that I am trying to convey eventually works it's way into your mind and understanding.
My main theme in all of these sites will be Duality, the duality of the personality, divided into essentially good and bad or material and spiritual ideals,
this duality will need to be recognized and controlled, it can never be destroyed because it is a part of our material existence, it must be observed and channeled where the ONE that results from these two is an acceptable outcome to you and humanity.
I personally try to push the envelope so to speak by eradicating portions of my material self so I may observe the outcome of my newest ONE, this started small and slow and has steadily increased over the years, habits have been stopped, indulgences have been limited and attitudes have been modified, my lifestyle has changed also,
but I do not believe that I can take all of the credit for some of the things, in the past year, my soul's essence has played a part in what it wants also, I do have to exercise my free will sometimes when I believe it is for my best welfare, this is where it becomes foggy as to if I am doing better than my soul wants or what?
I had noticed that I was not so inclined to take vitamins anymore, usually I am a regular vitamin taker, but the feeling and subtle differences in my well being are sometimes confusing, so now I only take vitamins when I am going to do some strenuous work and know that they will be more completely absorbed.
Also when it comes to taking medication like cholesterol medicine, I believe my soul would prefer that I didn't, but last time I had it checked, it was sky high. I recently had to have a tooth pulled and they had to place some bone material in the extraction area to ensure that it would heal strong enough to accept an implant,
the process involved taking amoxicillin for 3 weeks, this was a major problem for my essence as it bucked it all of the ways, and it wasn't a case of being allergic because of none of the symptoms corresponded to any sort of allergy.
So far my souls essence has ended my eating of meat, the drinking of any sort of alcohol, a huge reduction of sugar, my food intake has lowered by 30% and vitamins and medicine has been drastically reduced, the results are a more complete control of my emotions, nervous habits have decreased and material desires are all but gone.
This has opened up new avenues towards my enlightenment, I have become more readily available to meditate and do yoga and other concentration exercises including studies in powers of nature, I am still far from where I want to be, but it is becoming easier to implement new things to do in my life.
Everyone's seeking drive is different, not everyone is driven so overtly to cause a big difference in lifestyle, in many people it is so subtle that it is mostly unnoticed by them as being anything out of the ordinary,
these people just pursue what interests them, nothing supernatural intervenes in their lives, this is the status quo for these people, I seemed to be one of these people for a while, my material pursuits masked any unordinary advances I may have come upon,
it wasn't until I had reached the point where I had learned enough about reality, where the changes started to affect me in a profound way, the veil had been lifted enough where my soul saw it's opening and jumped in,
for the most part, a cession of material desires coupled with discontinuation of eating meat set the ball rolling for me until I have a complete grasp of what my soul intends to do,
I cannot release as much control as it seems to wish me to do, don't be afraid to keep control until you have a keen grasp of the path that you are being led upon.
You must strive to keep diversified in what you seek, there may be a subject that doesn't interest you or even repels you to some extent but you have been led in this direction for some reason,
stay alert! This may be your calling, for some reason you have been led here and bright light may go off in your mind or in your heart telling you "this is it", this seeking maze that you may have been in for who knows how long has finally come to "the prize",
do not pass up this chance, it may be a field that you have some experience in or some natural expertise that you were not previously aware of.
The truths that you seek are out there, be sure to listen to your inner self for guidance, there is something much greater than you are aware of and it is out to help you and humanity.
If you rely on your dreams as much as I do, you will sometimes become confused about what your dreams are trying to tell you, the abstract images and nonsensical situations will be confusing,
to say the least, the first thing I suspect in these situations is my diet, as I have mentioned earlier, my diet has changed drastically in the last year and my soul or essence is demanding more from me regularly,
I had a sweet tooth that has decreased by at least 50%, but still, even when I have a piece of chocolate 5 hours before I sleep, the dreams are erratic, the same can be said for any food that has been consumed late in the evening,
also, medications and vitamins can also play their part. I have found that fasting will bring me greater clarity in my dreams and also helps in my meditations.
We are all on a journey, we all live and we all die, our bodies, that is. This isn't our first rodeo, we have all been on this planet before, some of us hundreds of times,
this isn't even our first Sun that we have experienced, and I would not be surprised in the least if it wasn't our first galaxy.
We search for things that interest us, our interests differ according to how many times we have been here, where we live and what drives us, namely our souls, we do have missions, and they are to learn,
one life we may learn to create things, another life we may learn to make much money, and still another life we have many children, our lives are very diversified, and possibly in this life you are a seeker of truth,
possibly you are seeking the meaning of reality, or why we are all here. Is there more to existence than we perceive with our senses? Seek and you will find!
Discovering that you have a dynamic soul that wants you to learn why you are really here is a fairly large pill to swallow, especially since most of your life you have been doing just like everyone else has been doing,
and when it finally comes to the point that you read some Hindu scriptures and go to a couple of enlightening websites, your soul decides the time is NOW to let it's existence be known without a shadow of a doubt to you,
this hidden, subtle mentor has decided to take the reins for a while and give you a wild ride that will impress upon you some realizations that will surely change your life, you will no longer be the same material based humanoid that you once were,
and your values shall make a shift, your focus will be refined to a pinpoint at first, and then will expand like the streams of a fountain into your pool of knowledge, your wisdom shall increase beyond the means of your complete understanding,
and the need to enlighten others will soon overtake all of your other desires, it will truly be the pinnacle of your life and will continue as long as you let it.
I have noticed that after a continuous seek fest for the past year, there has been a widening chasm between the values from what I have learned and the rest of the world,
what society accepts as a normal state of affairs is totally foreign to me now, being that I have decreased my material needs greatly during the past year, and have realized what the population expects and needs in the way of existing, truly boggles my mind now,
the cost of insurance is what people use to be happy to make as wages, and it appears to me that well over 50% of the population of the US qualifies for some sort of subsidy, insurance is a peace of mind to answer for those unexpected emergencies and accidents that may come up,
slowly we have all been replacing our will with the gamble of chance by buying insurance, fear drives this need, and cause and effect driven by karma are what makes it necessary,
to begin with, this is a hard idea to get across because there are many sick people out there that depend on insurance to exist, two hundred years ago, it wasn't an option and medicine was in its infancy,
but we all seemed to get by well enough, the average life expectancy has dropped for the second year in a row in the US, just think about that for a while.
Since I have been seeking for so long now, I have found that I had to make some rules for myself as to what I was willing to believe and to what I consider crap and not give any more thought too,
well, it turns out that I have a broad believability base, but I do not pursue all of the avenues that I come upon, mostly I pursue and ardently believe in things that can be practiced or experienced now,
age-old theories of the beginnings of our planet or of our universe in the esoteric sense are not as important to me as discovering new and different aspects of me,
I feel these old theories and stories are limitations that are being put upon my soul that are not necessary and possibly debilitating when it comes to my progress, besides, many of these stories and theories are far too complex for me to follow and to expect anything to come from them,
it isn't that I think that they are crap, but that their priority in my knowledge base is very low in this point of time, all of you will also have to make some sort of discriminative action if you intend to excel in your quests.
Seeking a Better Life
Most people that seek are just looking for a better life, they want to know how to be more healthy, how to live longer and have a better quality of life, they do not intend in going down this rabbit hole of unexplained supernatural occurrences,
when they fully embrace the practices of the spiritually minded they are brought into the magical world of soul and spirit, this again is not the same for all seekers, some focus on specific channels of reality other than that of the strictly nonmaterialistic and stay well within the realm of the senses,
these people are on the lower rungs of the ladder on their way up, whether you are refining your diet, perfecting an exercise regimen or delving deep into the unknown, seeking for a better life always ends up being enlightening.
How do you know when you have found that special thing that you are seeking? I am not sure it can be nailed down as a definite completion of a mission, but it can be considered a ladder or stairway of knowledge that is leading you somewhere of potential worth, I have come across many epiphanies,
during my seeking and many attitude changes, the biggest challenge is to stay open to everyone's views and not get irate towards others due to the new knowledge you have gained, maintain your humility, it shouldn't be that difficult since you may know much, but you still don't know squat when it comes to knowing everything,
discussions with people about something new you have learned can be interesting as long as you stay emotionally disconnected, it would be best if you had discussions that were on the same sort of path that you are on in order to have a more meaningful exchange of views, sooner or later that great epiphany will come to you and changes in your programming will ensue.
This better life that you seek may come in many forms, your religious aspirations may leave you confused and lacking, but then again it may be fulfilling your needs yet you still may feel the need to seek answers elsewhere other than your religion or immediate beliefs can supply for you,
well, welcome to life, everyone has unanswered questions, and I don't mean the hollow meaningless material based sense driven types either, searching the internet is a wonderful way to get some answers, these answers may not be exactly what you are looking for all of the time,
but it will lead you in a general direction that will get the ball rolling, there seem to be many enlightened individuals out there that would like you to believe in them and follow them, I am always interested in different views and like to see the different paths that people follow,
some are interesting, some I have already followed and some I do not understand, there are many to choose from, be careful to not put all of your eggs in one basket as there are many things to learn out there and so little time.
Seeking the Meaning of Life
As all of mankind has been doing since the beginning, seeking the meaning of life has to be the true real adventure that has been keeping many busy for most of their lives, is it an attainable goal?
Unfortunately, I believe the answer to that question cannot be answered to completion until your life is finished, when the end comes to this complex game that we play over and over, our score is revealed and we prepare for the next round,
I believe that the meaning of our lives is to realize that we are not what we seem to be and to be able to correct our imbalances that we have been creating life after life. Being sentient and existing in our three-dimensional world,
this is the best explanation that I can perceive, our spiritual existences are far more complex and involved than we can readily understand, the injustices and chaos in our world cannot be understood with the limited knowledge obtained merely from our senses,
this is why we seek answers to what confuses us, what may seem unfair and biased events may just be a rebalancing of events that have happened thousands of years ago,
this exploration that we choose is not easy and does not always give us the answers that we seek, but it steadily brings us closer to what we need to know.
How are we going to blend in with everyone that is living in their senses and lead material based lives? Everyone that you know is doing this, If you are fortunate enough to have someone to go on this adventure with,
it can become less tedious, but still there must be a give and take in this process, our false personalities are strong and need company, they will rebel against a total shut out, unless you are planning to move to an isolated remote location to dwell day after day searching within with no human contact or only contact with seekers such as yourself,
a compromise will have to be realized, not everyone has the resources or opportunities to quit material life, they have to live just like everyone else and make a living, the ideal object would be to deal in other than material things,
to start, replace just one material thing that you do with something non-material like reading some spiritually enlightening literature or donating your time to helping others in some way, these are just 2 examples that can change your life, meditation, yoga, and various non-material quests are some others to try.
All of this may be too much for many to understand if there is something that is wrong, why can I not see it? What is wrong with eating what I want when I want and what is wrong with smoking and drinking?
I don't do it that much, I don't play video games and watch videos so much, I don't see a problem with trying to make more money and buy the stuff that I want.
This is a subtle problem that is not getting any easier to recognize, everyone is living it, or I should say, many of the people in the United States live this way,
other countries have fewer choices and fewer abundances and most of these things that you have been doing for most of your life and that you enjoy, are natural and legal and you do them with your friends,
this doesn't seem to be any sort of good argument against materialism and enjoying what your senses present to you, but they have been noticed,
your duality has a sunny side and a shady side and seeing the light just happens to be the less attractive choice when compared to what makes you feel good and what you think that you need, that is probably why you feel the need to seek something else.
There are always those that believe that whoever has the most when they die wins, I cannot fault anyone that has material aspirations and builds an empire, it's what they do with this empire that defines them as a human being,
building wealth just for the benefit of having the most is a futile mission of someone's life, leaving all of your wealth to friends and relatives just ruins their lives because they are not you,
providing an education for all of the children of your friends and relatives is a much better idea, after all, if you give a man a fish he will eat for a day, but if you teach him how to fish, he will eat for a lifetime,
these are wise words from a wise person that was an expert seeker and he found a good amount of followers on his quest to show him and his fathers meaning of life,
it would be interesting to see why over 70% of people that have won a lottery have wished that they didn't, the real reason that they won was that there was a lesson to be learned and it doesn't always turn out to be the lesson they thought they would get,
someone getting a windfall of money is not always prepared to handle it.
The meaning of life can be a difficult thing to ascertain, everyone's life is different and has different meanings for each of them, there is no absolute set answer for a question like this,
there are many things to be learned, and "why" is the most important of them, self-realization has to be on the top of the list as spiritual aspirations go,
eventually, you will find the most important discoveries that you make will have nothing to do with material things such as money and stuff that can be seen or felt, seeking within is the best course of action,
answers that come in meditation and dreams should be examined closely because they will have the most pertinent answers, and if they are not answers, they will surely lead you towards some sort of enlightenment.
A meaning that has meaning, not just a competition but an altruistic adventure that helps all of humanity, it isn't us against them because we are all a part of the whole,
every bit of humanity has a piece of the puzzle and we all need to come together and finish this game of life together, searching for answers is only a small step towards civilization,
we can never consider ourselves civilized when we are complacent in our acts of materialism, we can and have talked the talk about injustices and oppression on our planet while we gather at our social functions amongst our friends and colleagues,
then we indulge in our little indulgences to appease our senses, we watch what pleases us we listen to what pleases us, we eat, smell and do what pleases us, and those poor people who don't live in our privileged society would be happy to have a good meal for their children or to be able to worship as they please without being persecuted.
It is not our fault that we live so good, so what can we do to help the rest of our planet attain the minimum essential rights and to live normal fruitful lives in happiness? Seek and Ye Shall Find!
One of the first steps to discovering any sort of meaning to life is to realize the true meanings of our scriptures, for thousands of years mankind has been threatened with agonizing hell from making wrong choices and not being believers,
worse yet, other faiths are being attacked for not falling exactly in line with their faith, when in fact that/those other faith/s are believers, there is just an assumption that it is with another God,
and it is forgotten that God is most merciful and oft-forgiving, just because a label has been placed on a Deity like Krishna, Jehovah, Elohim, El Shaddai, Immanuel, I AM or Allah among many others,
doesn't mean that that is the official nomenclature, actually, it should not even matter, what should matter is that there is a Deity that has enlightened us to its presence and intentions,
and it is up to us to determine a proper course for humanity to take in order to progress,
by removing the fear and specific rules that pertain to strictly material existence, we open up the spiritual aspects as we are supposed to know them.
Seeking for a meaning to all of the apparent madness in the world is not necessary when you realize that our duality is the culprit and false personality causes All of the strife of the world,
its the realization of this fact and the control of our free will in the material sense and not the spiritual sense is what is required to steady our course on the way to the true meaning of life,
the one with the most stuff does not win in the end, and actually, it is about the opposite of that, this is not to imply that you should all go out and be homeless, even though homeless people are probably better off spiritually than most,
there are many worthwhile endeavors in the world other than making money and collecting stuff, peoples concerns vary across a wide span of the worlds problems, refugees, feeding the hungry and many other altruistic endeavors keep us on our spiritual toes.
We are all at different stages of our lives, and I mean different stages of our incarnations, we have a minimum amount of lives to live as a human on this planet and there are basic things to be learned before we can progress,
this does not include any karma that we may have acquired along the way and actually, our karma acquisitions are the cause of most of the lives that we will be living, by living in our senses and allowing our emotions and desires to run our lives we continually get in trouble,
we forced our ideals on others and did whatever pleased us at the moment or got us what we wanted, as soon as our actions involved others and disrupted their lives in some negative way, we gained a debt that had to be repaid further down the road,
if this debt was not repaid in this lifetime, it would always have to be repaid later, unfortunately, this realization is not always made, so the debts continue and increase as the lives go by,
by having an average of 200 lifetimes, most are able to repay these debts as being a sample of all walks of humanity, but even if you have been been the wisest soul with the most compassion, there is still a minimum of about 35 lives to be lived in order to learn what is necessary to graduate humanity.
There are many of us humans that go through life clueless, the distraction from our senses are sufficient to keep us in a haze, and the daily drudge of our jobs keep us well occupied for a third of our day,
and sleep uses another third, this last third is where we must do our seeking for any meaning to all of this, this is where you find out "what is a seeker" you shall be driven well past your senses and look for real meaning in life,
for some reason you just decide to not do the couch potato thing or decide to not go out and party until your head throbs, it will have very little material incentive, it won't make you rich or make you popular but it has some unknown sort of appeal that attracts you for a multitude of reasons that just don't jump out at you,
your soul is a very subtle thing that mostly observes through your lives, but that urge that drives you to ask "what is a seeker of truth", and then you find out that it is you,
most of the time it isn't what you learn but the journey and the questions that you are compelled to ask to start the ultimate encounter with life, your views will change many times and strive to hone you to perfection in your thoughts and actions.
This is a basic instruction for those troubled souls that just do not know what to do with their lives, If you happen to be one of those people, you are in luck because Religion, as it is practiced by most of the world, is sorely lacking all of the answers that you seek,
or I should say that any single religion is lacking in All of the answers that you seek, a simple suggestion of delving into many religions would give a broader appreciation of what is being presented to humanity,
if you wish to seek truth and enlightenment to expand your wisdom, it is all there in the various scriptures around the world. Hinduism, Buddism, Islam, Christianity, and many others have their own piece of the puzzle of life,
and when you are able to discern the wisdom from the superstition and filter the truth from the dogma, a huge veil shall be lifted from your understanding of our reality, Be very careful to not let your Duality color your emotions,
false personality has had a hand in writing our scriptures, the only emotion that should be followed would be that of love and all of the material concerns are of no great consequence, all of the fear and all of the threats should be taken as no more than warnings,
because as we sow so shall we reap, what comes around goes around, and what we do to others will be done to us, if not in this lifetime, then one of the many others down our paths to enlightenment.
How Can You Seek Enlightenment?
First of all, your mission should not be seeking enlightenment, it should be seeking wisdom, a specific mission of seeking enlightenment can be very disappointing and frustrating,
firstly, enlightenment is a broad subject that is not always a slam dunk of life, it can be very subtle and accumulative, living your life as a good person and learning things from enlightened people is a better goal to chase as it has no end,
because there is always something to be learned and there is always someone that knows more or at least something different than you know, If it is the angelic spotlight shining over you as the answer to every question magically comes to you, is what you seek,
this sort of quest may be fruitless, but following your passion and striving to learn the various truths of life with as much energy as you can muster will be far more enlightening,
the key is to do what you love to do, of course, if it is something that is altruistic and selfless, you will probably have a better time of it than if it were a material based adventure,
being the best at making the most money is far less enlightening than being the best at feeding the world,
but that is not to say that there cannot be any enlightening experiences in the process of making large amounts of money because no matter what path you choose to follow, there are always lessons to be learned in the process of living life.
The act of trying new things and chasing new adventures will always lead to new experiences, giving of yourself to a worthy cause will always teach you something about your self,
trying something like "paying forward" will set in motion some events that have the ability to snowball into something worthwhile, by giving freely of yourself to someone or some organization using some of your expertise where all you may ask in return is that they would do a similar thing,
this may not be possible with an organization, but it will benefit you just the same, also as you seek wisdom and truth, an in-depth venture to within yourself can give you insights to what you seek,
meditation is always a must for finding the answers to those questions that you do not even know, and once your higher self realizes that you are in search of something worthwhile,
answers will begin to pop-up in your life in your everyday tasks and even in your dreams, Pay close attention to these as they will lead you to where you want to be and have the experiences that you need to have,
just wanting to know "how can you seek enlightenment" starts the ball rolling, try to keep your seeking for wisdom in the back of your mind at all times to prove to yourself that it is not just a passing fancy,
it has to be pursued and not forgotten, it is not to be obsessed over, just a general path change.
How to Seek Wisdom
Wisdom can be easily found, but understanding what you have found is wisdom; can be a tricky situation, relying on reading only your specific scriptures can make you wise to a point,
and then it must be realized that these words were created by man even though by some divine inspiration, your intuition and discrimination must be called to bear and separate what is important from what is superstition,
bringing up this point is difficult for many to accept as they have been brought up to believe that every single word that has been written is undeniably the uncensored word of God in its entirety,
I do not wish to cast aside anyone's beliefs, but for just a moment realize how many versions there are of your scriptures,
just taking into consideration the Holy Bible and the Holy Quran alone, if you are religiously minded and read either of these two types of scriptures you will know that there are many versions and this is not even to mention how they were modified before the invention of the printing press and by the ruling authorities of the time and or areas of the earth,
wisdom must be sought in a great variety of places and by exploring the practices and writings of the great peacemakers and old sages, just relying on a specific set of scriptures may leave you wanting,
God or the ultimate power that is is not fallible but man IS by design, it is up to us to determine the truths in these scriptures,
the information has been presented to all of us and now that we are able to decipher the scriptures of the world in all of its languages it is time to take the reins of reality and lead ourselves towards enlightenment and soon we may evolve to something that has some worth in our world and doesn't depend on the material aspects of life but embraces the fact that we are all one,
one part of the whole of reality, reading the works of Socrates and Plato will bring you closer to the Ideas to strive for, even though Plato was one of the writers that have put Socrates Ideas into written form,
we will consent that since being Socrates student he conveys his ideas justly, I will not repeat any of their quotes or beliefs but I expect as seekers you will discover the importance of what they speak, and not having popular religious beliefs has not degraded there Ideals at all.